[astrostudents] Re: HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY

We owe to the Martyrs who brought & maintained this
independence.
Happy Independence Day
Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj
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<astrosleuthus@…> wrote:
>
> — In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, vivian tandon
> <viviantandon@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Members,
> >  
> >  
> > vijay vishav tiranga pyara,jhanda ucha rahe hamara.
> >
> > HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >  
> > Thousands laid down their lives so that our country
breath this
> day… never forget their sacrifice..Happy Independence
day.
> >  
> > Sare jahan se acha, Hindhu sitha hamara… Im proud to
salute my
> flag. God! bless my country and my people.  Jai Hind.
Feel proud to
> be an Indian
> >
> >
> >
> > • Na zuban se,
> > Na nigahon se,
> > Na dimag se,
> > Na rango se,
> > Na greeting se,
> > Na gift se,
> > Aapko Azadi ki shubhkamnayeen direct dil se
> >  
> > !!!Vivian Tandon!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now,
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> Dear vivian ji and all GURUJANS NAMASKAR,
>
> Really its a small salute to all the PATRIOTIC people who
had laid
> there life for the cause of our mother land INDIA, even
all the
> sports person who win any TROPHY/MEDAL thank the NATION
first, take
> ABHINAV BINDRA who had dedicated the MEDAL to NATION and
all
> sportsperson of INDIA, i will be thankfull to this group
if GURUJANS
> can throw some light from where to see (planet/khana)
wether the
> CHART HOLDER can become SPORTS MAN of any calibire and in
which
> field,I am very new to L.K and if any wrong thing i had
touched i
> may be excused .
>
> astrologically yours
> vinay sayal
>

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[astrostudents] BUDH KHANA NUMBER-3

Respected Senior Members And Dear Fellow Students,
Namashkar!!!
Kya Ho Gya Sab Ko????Everybody gone quite again.Holidays jada lambi ni ho gayi???
Chalo letz keep on moving.And Lets start again…..
I think we have discussed enough for budh no.2 and we should now proceed to Budh#3…………..Aapka kya khayal hai Aadarniye Sh.Parbhakar Ji;Mahajan Saheb And Sh Kondalji ????
Budh#3 ke baare main kuchh shuruat ho jaye guujano se please….
 



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[astrostudents] Re: HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY

— In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, vivian tandon
<viviantandon@…> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dear Members,
>  
>  
> vijay vishav tiranga pyara,jhanda ucha rahe hamara.
>
> HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY
>
>
>
>  
>  
> Thousands laid down their lives so that our country breath this
day… never forget their sacrifice..Happy Independence day.
>  
> Sare jahan se acha, Hindhu sitha hamara… Im proud to salute my
flag. God! bless my country and my people.  Jai Hind. Feel proud to
be an Indian
>
>
>
> • Na zuban se,
> Na nigahon se,
> Na dimag se,
> Na rango se,
> Na greeting se,
> Na gift se,
> Aapko Azadi ki shubhkamnayeen direct dil se
>  
> !!!Vivian Tandon!!!
>
>
>
>
> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on
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Dear vivian ji and all GURUJANS NAMASKAR,

Really its a small salute to all the PATRIOTIC people who had laid
there life for the cause of our mother land INDIA, even all the
sports person who win any TROPHY/MEDAL thank the NATION first, take
ABHINAV BINDRA who had dedicated the MEDAL to NATION and all
sportsperson of INDIA, i will be thankfull to this group if GURUJANS
can throw some light from where to see (planet/khana)wether the
CHART HOLDER can become SPORTS MAN of any calibire and in which
field,I am very new to L.K and if any wrong thing i had touched i
may be excused .

astrologically yours
vinay sayal

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[astrostudents] HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY

Dear Members,
 
 
vijay vishav tiranga pyara,jhanda ucha rahe hamara.
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY

 
 
Thousands laid down their lives so that our country breath this day… never forget their sacrifice..Happy Independence day.
 
Sare jahan se acha, Hindhu sitha hamara… Im proud to salute my flag. God! bless my country and my people.  Jai Hind. Feel proud to be an Indian

Na zuban se,
Na nigahon se,
Na dimag se,
Na rango se,
Na greeting se,
Na gift se,
Aapko Azadi ki shubhkamnayeen direct dil se
 
!!!Vivian Tandon!!!



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[astrostudents] aadarniye kondalji

Revered Sh.Kondalji,
Namashkar!!!
Thanx for ur kind reply reflecting ur unmatchable experience and wisdom. Aadarniye Kondalji Mere Papa tto ab hain nahi iss duniya main tto fir unki kundli tto i think dekhne ka koi faeda hogga ke nahi (We lost him to god last year only on 15thMay 2007 ).As he is not there to confirm anything.
 And moreover I dont even reckon in which year my dad was prescribed this remedy by Sh.Neelkanth ji………………but his horoscope aapki agya anusaar i am mentioning here under——it was like this:- Budh no-1; Suraj number-2; Shukar-3; Rahu-4; Sat-7; Mangal-8; Ket-10; Bhraspati-12; Chander-9. He was born on 26 Feb’1948…………………………………………………………Vivian.


— On Thu, 14/8/08, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2/Prabhakar Ji, Kondal Ji,
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 14 August, 2008, 7:37 AM

                                                                                             dated:14.8.2008

dear vivian,
                                                   hello ,hope u rfine and enjoing life.good to see that u want to learn lal kitab seriously.it was nice talking to you on phone that day when u called me up .and here i would like to tell u that as u had written in the mail that neel kanth ji had told this upayae and the way to do it for your father.i dont deny it but he must have seen his whole birth chart or horoscope before telling him the upaye and the other things which he had told in addition to this upaye must be because of  taking the consideration and involvement of other planets of your fathers horoscope or as per the chart which he had seen at that time .that is the only reason why we people always say dont be too fast in suggesting the remedy by merely seeing planets in the houses only and start suggesting the remedies.ther is always a single remedy stored for the entire teva but that is the extreme of lal kitab to reach up to that level it may take a long long time for a person like me. so in general i mean to say that till the time what ever we were discussing that  was only on budh in khanna no. 2 and its upayae.the single upaye in  under consideration is naak cheddan for 96 hrs .but we have to see first of all ki yeh upaye sirf budh khanna no. 2 dekh k bataya gaya hai yaa ki overall whole horoscope dekhane ke baad .

i had seen lot of horoscopes analysed by respected pundit ji and he had given only one or two remedies for each horoscope not more than that.and that is the perfection . 
                                         i would like to have your fathers horoscope or his details and the time and year when he contacted neel kanth ji regarding his problem when the foresaid remedy was told to him of naak cheddan with additional precautions.

pundit ji once announced during his baithak at pharwala answering somebodys question regarding what they will do after him? and u know what pundit ji said, he said that maine is kitab mein sab kuch likh diya hai jis ko jo bhi chahiyae vo dyanatdaari or immandaari se doondhane par mil jayega.

 so baat to ab hum logon par hi aa kar khatam hoti hai ki hum log kitne immandaar or dyanatdaar hai.yeh kitab to simple ban kar sahaj mein aa kar hi seekhee ja sakti hai is ka koi aur seekhanae ka tarika hai hi nahin.bhed tab hi khulega .

baat lambi ho gayi.sorry for writing too much.

thanks
regards
MS KONDAL
 
<span style=”font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);”>M S KONDAL</span>


—– Original Message —-
From: vivian tandon <viviantandon@ yahoo.co. in>
To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:49:37 PM
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2/Prabhakar Ji, Kondal Ji,

Revered Senior Member and Dear All Fellow Students,
Namashkar!!!
                   I really apologise if I had mentioned something wrong for Naak Chhedan Remedy….Even I had read it in the book for 96 hrs as mentioned by Shri MS Kondal ji and Sh. Parbhakar ji; but the lines that I had added after that remedy is not mentioned in the book anywhere. Lekin ye lines Aadarniye Shri Neel Kanth Deedi Ji ke batayi hui guidelines for how to do this upay ke according hain…….. ……… …
I reckon he had told this remedy to my father way back and he specifically mentioned that after u get ur nose punctured please make sure that except that person who punctures ur nose nobody shud see ur nose for atleast 96 hrs so its better to stay indoors for this period.
Thats the reason why i mentioned these lines while I never mentioned that sunlight shud be avoided etc.
Shri Neelkanth ji Deedi Was very close fren of panditji and I think unhonne agar kuchh aise kaha tha tto zaroor isska koi arth hogga……. ……… ……… ……… ……… ..Mujhe Isske baare main jitna maalum tha wo maine likha tha  Baaki hamare senior members Hamare Gurujan Hain and Aadarniye hain jaise wo guide karein wahi uchit hogga……. ……… ……… ……… ……… ……… ……… ……… ……… …..Regards- —Vivian.
From: mts3434 <mts3434@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2/Prabhakar Ji, Kondal Ji,
To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 2:42 PM

Members,
Namaskar,
shukar hai bhagwan ka ki kuchh members ki neend to khuli, kisi
vishay par hulchal to huee.mein apna experince share karna chahta
hoon ki jab bhee varshphal mein budh khana no 2 mein aye, to usse
kya nahi karna chahiye. jis saal budh khana no 2 mein aaye uss saal
jatak ko musical instruments nahi lene chahiye. mere paas agar koi
aisa shaksh jiska budh khana no 2 mein aya hoo(varshphal ke anusar)
to uss saal mein usko saali se bhee dur rehne ko kehta hoon,
T.V.,C.D. player,Stereo, Baja vagairah ka kum se kum prayog kare aur
naya/purana na le. jab ki yeh zyadatar electronics goods hee hain.
fir bhee inka parhez rakhna hee achha rahega.aisa mera manana hai.

MAhajan
— In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, maneshwar singh kondal
<mskondal@.. .> wrote:
>
>

DATED 13-8-2008
>
> dear members,
> pranaam to all of my seniors
and hello to colleagues,hope all r fine and enjoing .i read
yograjjis reply to vivian regarding the piercing of nosefor 96 hours
and i fully agree with yograjji on this topic that in the book it is
mentioned only the same thing which yograjji has written .till date
i have never read any where and in any of version that one should
not go out or u have to hide it from others or one have to be away
from sun light suraj to budh ko theek rakhnae mein madad deta hai or
chandarma ka bhi dost hai so dont be mistaken on this part that u
have to stuck into house only after naak chaddan .u r free to move
about humne aaj tak kaafi logon ka naak chaddan karvaya hai and got
good results 100% u can say but never restricted anybody like this.
> thats the only and only reason why we all are insisting everybody
to try to read the original version of lal kitab so please for god
sake try to read the original versions only .and your first step to
have success in the field of lal kitab is to procure a original copy
of it and get it translated or do what ever u can do to reach for it
understand it and translate it.dont try to get pakki pakayi
things .this thing will harm you in the field of learning lal
kitab.try to find new things out of it yourself it has got
thousands of such formulaes and permutations and combinations that
the need is only to unveil them.but most of the people dont use
their own brains and try to grab things either by hook or crook.try
to go more deep and deep into the book and u ur self will find the
difference.ORIGINAL LAL KITAB IN ITSELF IS A LAMPHOUSE AND POWER
GENERATOR THAT MERELY BY KEEPING IT WITH YOURSELF YOU FEEL YOURSELF
FULLY ENERGISED.
>
> SO I HOPE NOW EVERYBODY WOULD TRY TO GO FOR A GENUINE BOOK AND
FELL THE ENERGY ITS A FACT YOU TRY IT AND TELL IN THE FORM THE
DIFFERENCE.
>
>
> THANKS
>
> REGARDS
>
> M S KONDAL
>
> <span style=”font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);”>M S
KONDAL</span>
>
>
>
> —– Original Message —-
> From: Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar@ …>
> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:19:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2/Vivian Jee
>
>
> Dear Vivian ji,
>
> I am partially agree with you on the question of period and method
of Naak-Chhedan. You are absolutely right that Pundit ji has advised
to do it for atleast 96 hours. and It is very much mentioned in Lal
Kitab-1952, page 545, line 11 to 13, (Budh Khana no. 2 Mandee
Haalat):
>
> “Naak-Chhedan (4-5 din tak kam az kam 96 ghantey Surakh qayam
rakhna) magadgaar hoga. 12 se 16 saala se pehle pehle zyadah
faydemand magar baad mein bhi naak-chhedan madadgar hoga).”.
>
> But your statement that one should remain indoor, nobody should
see the Naak-Chhedan and it should not be exposed to the direct
Sunlight is just beyond my understanding. What are the basis of this
notion? Have you read it somewhere or was it recommended/ told by
someone to you? Kindly clarify.
>
> Sincerely
> Yograj Prabhakar
>
>
> — On Wed, 8/13/08, mts3434 <mts3434@yahoo. co.in> wrote:
>
> From: mts3434 <mts3434@yahoo. co.in>
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2
> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:22 AM
>
>
> Vivian Ji,
> Namaskar,
> sorry, mein kuchh kadwa bol gaya tha.
>
> Hua kuchh iss tarah ki jo mein kehna chahta thaa woh prabhakar
sahib
> ne keh diya hai, sirf kehne/samjhane ka tarika alag ho gaya. mein
> kuchh kadwe tarike se keh gaya woh pyar se samjha gaye.aap kyonki
> bahut aage ki soch rahe theiy, wahan tak ki mein to soch hi nahi
> sakta.agar mein prabhakar ji ne jo kuchh likha thaa woh padh leta
to
> shayad mein apko itna kadwa nahi likhta. again & again SORRY.
> abb itna dhayan rakhiye ki Budh khana no 2 wale ko budh ki ashiyan
> sthapit nahi karni chahiye.
>
> because naak chhedan
> > karvalenna hi upay nahi hai but naak chhedan karwaake ye b dhyan
> > main rakha jaye ki it is not visible to anybody so the person
shud
> > stay indoor or closed door and away from everybody sight for
> minimum
> > 96 hrs…..
> Kripya yeh bataye ki 96 hours ka upay jaisa ki aapne likha hai yeh
> kahan likha hai.kyonki zyadatar jab bhee Budh manda asar de raha
ho
> Nak Chhedan karwaya hi jata hai(96 days) lekin agar kahin yeh
likha
> hai ki 96 hours ghar mein hi rahe ya kisi ko nak chhedan dikhai na
> de, sun light na lage aadi aadi.
> Dhanyawad.
> Mahajan
>
> — In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, vivian tandon
> <viviantandon@ …> wrote:
> >
> > Mahajan ji, Namashkar !!!
> > I am just a beginner in lal Kitab and a nursery class student in
> front of u lekin fir bhi aap kripa kar Lal Kitab(1952) Ka Page
> Number 543(budh2 nek haalat) zaroor padiyega its clearly mentioned-

> ——”Lambi va poshda aur baahar ko ubhri hui peshaani ka maalik
> hogga.jismain jahanat tatha saath aayi hui kismat ka nek asar
> hogga……. ……… ……… ……… ” Please sir do
correct me
> if i m wrong…..
> > Â
> > thanx——- ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –
—-
> ——-vivian
> >
> >
> > — On Tue, 12/8/08, mts3434 <mts3434@ > wrote:
> >
> > From: mts3434 <mts3434@ >
> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2
> > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 12:48 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Vivian Ji,
> > mein abhi itna vidhwan nahi hua ki matha(forehead) dekh kar bata
> saku
> > ki budh khana no 2 mein hai.Aapke baare mein mein kuchh keh nahi
> > sakta.
> > Mahajan
> > — In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, vivian tandon
> > <viviantandon@ …> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mahajan ji first of all i m highly thankful to u to start the
> > topic again and kept this group alive……well about budh
number
> 2
> > wot i percieve is dat; aise insaan ka father ki age ki koi
> guarantee
> > ni hotti but tab tak jab tak chander se koi madad na mil rahi ho
> if
> > moon of such a person is in 8th or twelfth house father of such
a
> > person may survive.Moreover tewe ki darushti ke liye kuchh
> questions
> > we can ask like aise insaan ki mastishk(head) ubhraa hua
> (protruding)
> > hotta hai……..and such a person is very intelligent but at
the
> > same time somewhat selfish also.
> > > Budh ki cheeze sister,bua,daughter etc.r not gud for the
> person
> > and they give the result to that of a poison…..mande budh ki
> pehli
> > nishaani ghar main sheep, parrot kharidke ya vaise hi lekke
> rakha
> > jaye ya fir aise saksh ki saali ghar main aake rehne lag jaye
tto
> wo
> > uskki wife ko (shukar) ko barbaad kardeggi…. .ghar main shukar
> ki
> > cheeze barbaad honne lag jaengi… mande budh ke nivaaran ka
best
> > upay i think is naak chhedan( nose prick),this remedy looks to
be
> > very simple but its actually very tough. because naak chhedan
> > karvalenna hi upay nahi hai but naak chhedan karwaake ye b dhyan
> > main rakha jaye ki it is not visible to anybody so the person
shud
> > stay indoor or closed door and away from everybody sight for
> minimum
> > 96 hrs…….This is some thing i know for budh number 2 kuchh
> > baatein tto mahajan ji ne pehle hi saaf kardi hain…..kuchh par
> > hamaare senior members ki roshni ki bi zarurat
> > hai……… ……… kiyunki we r just students in this field
> > > and many things i have written may be wrong……. ……..so
> > corrections are solicited from our senior
members….. .parbhakar
> ji
> > please throw some more light on this
> > topic……. ……… ……… VIVIAN…
> > > ÂÂ
> > > ÂÂ
> > > ÂÂ
> > >
> > > — On Mon, 11/8/08, mts3434 <mts3434@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: mts3434 <mts3434@ >
> > > Subject: [astrostudents] BUDH KHANA NUMBER 2
> > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, 11 August, 2008, 11:24 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Members
> > > aap sab ko yeh jankar harani hog1 ki 1975-76 ke karib jab
> lalkitab
> > > market mein ayee(hindi photostat) tab jitne bhee log jo
jyotish
> ki
> > > jankari rakhte theiy, unn logo ne budh khana no 2 walo ke ghar
> se
> > > niwar ke goley niklwa diye. tab aam gharo mein niwar hoti
thee.
> > abb
> > > niwar nahi hai to yeh jyotish log kya karein.abb wool ke goley
> > > niklwa rahe hain.budh khana no 2 wale ke liye achha yehi hai
ki
> > ghar
> > > mein kisi bhee kisam ka suti (cotton) dhaga gole ki shakal
mein
> na
> > > pada ho.
> > > jaise khana no 1 ke liye daant 32 chahiye yahan bhee wohi
halat
> > hai
> > > (vaise har khana mein budh ka achha phal tabi milega jab daant
> 32
> > ho)
> > > Agar brahspati khana no 6ya7 mein ho to aisa jatak pita
(father)
> > ke
> > > liye bhari hoga, matlab ki uske pita ki maut ya mritu tulya
> kashat
> > > jab budh khana no 2 wale ki umar 16 se 22 ki hogi. zyadatar
aise
> > > jatak ke pita ki maut 16 se 19 saal ke beech hi ho jati hai
agar
> > > bach jaye to bhee bimar ya murda ke brabar hi hoga.
> > > Aise jatak ke ladkiya zyada hogi,lekin lawald nahi hoga matlab
> ki
> > > ladka avash hoga . ladke ke liye brahspati aur chander ki
> sahayta
> > > lee ja sakti hai.
> > > Budh asal mein kya hai? brahspati+rahu= BUDH
> > > abb aap rahu khana no 2 ka upay Chandi ki thos (solid)goli
jatak
> > > apne paas rakh sakte hain.
> > > aur bhee bahut kuchh kiya ja sakta filhal itna hi kafi hai,
agar
> > aap
> > > ke paas Budh khana no 2 ke baare mein kuchh alag hi jankari
hai
> ti
> > > likhe.
> > >
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Re: [astrostudents] Re: Fw: 8-8-8 saturn is a friend

Hello frens,
It seems i have missed alot on the group but actually i have a small kid and sometimes it becomes difficult for me to meet both the ends. Anyway i just want to add my veiws for which our respected kondalji has already  given his share.No doubt media had played a good role in adding to the fears of the brahmanical society.
Our society have always been dominated by the brahmanical interests.These type of rumuors only add fears to our minds.It is really painful that we being the part of the society are not able to do anthing.
So,now we must try to educate the people.Let them have more knowledge:that is the only way of improving them.
At the end i would like to add few words quoted by Gautum Buddha………….."Do not believe in hearsay,do not believe in what is handed down through generations;do not believe in anything because it is accepted by many;do not believe because some revered sage or elder makes a statement;do not believe in truths to which you have become attached by habit; do not believe merely on the authority of your traditional teachings. Have deliberation and analyse,and when the results accords with reason and conduces to the good of one and all,accept it and live up to it."
Regards,
Livia
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:59 AM, maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@yahoo.com> wrote:
                                                                                                                                                 DATED: 14.8.2008

respected nirmal ji,
                                 pranaam, it nice to hear from you.how r u hope fine and busy with your job.read your reply thanks for reading and reciprocating.its really the need of the hour to highlight such things otherwise people will be making fool of masses and our public is such that it can do anything in the name of religion.these are the words said by swami vivekanand ji.so only awareness with reasoning is required.
thanks once again

regards
MS KONDAL
 

<span style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</span>

—– Original Message —-
From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com>
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:54:10 PM
Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Fw: 8-8-8 saturn is a friend

Respected Kondal Sahib,
Pranam,
It is now becoming a chronic problem of the society. Media is now
promoting these type of sensational theories. This practice is to
create sensational news and to increase channel TRP. This is a one
side of coin. Recently I saw a program discussing the genuineness of
Kala Sarpa Yoga. In which Mr. KN Rao has openly critcised the band of
astrologers who created hype of Kala Sarpa yoga to loot the innocent
people. With the increasing participation of intellectuals in
studying astrology,these black sheep will soon be put under control.
Regarding 8-8-8 , I checked the panchang and rather it was 8-8-8-8.
it is Ashtami, 8th tithi, 8th date, 8th month and 8th year of this
century. As usual, a hype is created to wait for some big disaster.
Nothing happens. These so called astrology Gurus fell flat. People
came to know their Tikdam Baazi.
Truth will burry lie in due course. Or we can say lie will die its
own death.
The point raised by Respected Shaitendra Ji,is the necessity of the
time. We in the group must try to dispell these myths.
We are grateful to you for sparing your precious time to explain the
prperties of planets, particularly Saturn. I know that your typing
speed is very slow and writing this much text is the job of hours.
Keep on enlightening us with your guidance
Best Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj
— In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, maneshwar singh kondal
<mskondal@.. .> wrote:
>
>
>
> <span style="font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</
span>
>
>
>
> —– Forwarded Message —-
> From: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .>
> To: shatendra_s@ …
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43:03 PM
> Subject: 8-8-8 saturn is a friend
>
> dear members,
> charan pranaam to all my seniors and
hello to all of my colleagues,today i got mail from Mr shatendera k
sharma who is working at avery respectable post injawaharlal nehru
university at delhi and holding a strategic position and he has asked
all the members to raise a voice against all the so called babas and
astrologers who are appearing on the tv everyday and making people
paniky by telling their own originated or manifested stories
regarding the destruction of the world and other untoward incidents
across the world.these things do have an impact on general masses
because these are being telecasted by reputed tv channels without of
any responsibility that they are misguiding the masses.tv people are
attracting people more and more in numbers to watch their tv channel
by introducing various and different characters who are promoting
themselves rather than to educate people of the true facts.all of us
have seen that nothing
> bad had happened without the routine ones as such promoted by
astrologers and numerologists that this is going to happen or that is
going to happen,all of them say this could happen they dont say
firmly and confidently that this will happen.and now no one is seen
on the tv talking about it even the channels have stoped discussions
on it. and nobody from the public has also raised this question to
the media that what next they have to say.
>
> i dont say that astrology is not there ,i am also a true believer
of astrology ,being an engineer i am also doing some research works
on astrology its a proper science but it doesnt say that one should
play with the lives of public.rather its a science which makes you
aware of the happenings in advance and tells us to be prepared people
were recently saying lot of things bad about 8-8-8 combination and
saturns bad influence.
>
> but our scriptures say not a single planet is bad rather each and
every planet helps us to refine our energies in that particular field
represented by that particular planet.our bad fate is this that we
start looking only the negative part of the planet instead of looking
good out of it and trying to improvise our negative influences of
that planet by inscribing our positive energies to get rid of the
negativity.but this is not happening and we start cursing the
planets.this is really bad because it only increases the negativity
which ultimately engulfs us in its traps and finally we become the
victim of our own negativity and come out as a failure and we blame
the planet that because of this planet we r in trouble.
>
> this means we are inviting troubles ourselves and blaming it to
planets .take an example of saturn.
>
> Saturn is the planet of responsibility. Saturn imposes its burdens
on an individual so that he understands the importance of his own
needs. By meeting the responsibilities of Saturn, the individual
gives form to his own self worth. Even though Saturn has been thought
of as the planet of restrictions, it is actually a planet of great
freedom. When one avoids the tasks and responsibilities that give

meaning and purpose to one’s existence, then there is no questions

that the weight of Saturn is felt heavily. All that an individual
should confront but tries to ignore starts to gather weight in his
mind. When a more positive approach is taken in dealing with everyday

obstacles which are only stepping stones towards one’s evolution, the

more one frees oneself from the weight of the past.
>

> Saturn is the planet of Karma and makes an individual’s life, in

many ways, the result of his past actions. In order to flow with the
best energies of Saturn, an individual must be ready to truly
confront himself. What he is building in the here and now must be a
firm foundation beneath his feet.
>
> Saturn is the teacher, and holds within the greatest secrets of the
universe if one has the willingness to learn. What one does each day
is more important that what one dreams about doing in the future.
>
> The lesson of Saturn is not to look at what others do or even years
later what one could have done oneself, but rather to effectively

build structure to one’s life, here, now, today! Saturn is the planet

of discipline. It instructs a person to stay within his own purpose,
regardless of how difficult it may at times appear to be.
>
> The ultimate that one can achieve through Saturn is the sense of
meaning that comes from knowing how purposeful everything one does
actually is. This planet which rules the conscience, is forever

developing in the “Now” to give an individual the steady guidance he

needs in order to know his own strength. Saturn can be ones

benefactor, or one’s burden of woe depending completely upon the way

in which a person builds his structure. Saturn is the taskmaster. He

who lives in “The Now” is always the master of the task!

>
>
> To fear Saturn is to fear knowing who we are, and what we are
capable of accomplishing; to learn to work with its energies is to
master the physical and material worlds, and ready ourselves for the
challenges of the spiritual and the unseen.
>

> Saturn is a real teacher. Just keep going, even you feel it’s hard.

The gifts will be worth it. I remember a teacher I had who was very
strict and rigorous. Everyone despised him but he knew that the
survivors would have the higher grades in the final exams which lead
us to the university. And so it happened.
>
>
> Saturn Returns occurs about every 30 years or so, and unlike
Jupiter Returns (which are usually fun) they are a very serious
matter.
>
> The first Saturn return occurs at around the age of 30, a
significant period in most lives. This is the first time you will
feel the reap-what-you- sow side of Saturn, as you take stock of what
you have achieved – or not – how your youthful dreams have been
fulfilled – or not. It can be a time of serious navel gazing, and
stock taking. Depending on the position and aspects of your natal
Saturn, you may change direction altogether, or choose to consolidate
on what you have already gained. Career, relationships and social
connections can all come under the microscope.
>
> The second Saturn Return occurs at about age 60, and once again the
focus is on taking a searching look at what life has dealt you, and
what you have dealt yourself. This can be a time of really sobering
reflection as you consider retirement and the years ahead. Can you
afford to retire? Have you sufficient other interests to look forward
to a life without work? Or are you considering another venture,
something that uses your accumulated skills and wisdom? What goes
around comes around, that is the real meaning of a Saturn Return.
>
> Saturn represents responsibility, self-discipline, obstacles and
limitations. Saturn's influence can be restrictive, cold and severe
and is usually noticeable in your life when you are faced with
obstacles. How you deal with obstacles and limitations is represented
by the characteristics of your Saturn sign. Saturn's position in your
chart determines how well you accept responsibility, as well as which
types of delays and opposition you can expect to encounter in life.
>
> The following planets are slow-moving, spending more than seven
years in each sign. These planets have a generational influence as
well as an individual influence. While the characteristics of your
Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto signs are still expressed to some degree
in your personality, their influence is not as strong as the above-
mentioned planets.
>
> Returns of the planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, do not have the
significance of returns of the inner planets because they move
extremely slowly. But as they move, they will aspect natal planets in
transit and at these times can point to periods of significant
changes in the life.
>
>
>
> there are not only negative things in the planets or
numbers .mother nature has provided lots and lots of solutions and
remedies by default which are hard to be understood by the human
brains but then also its our nature that we try for it .where as
human wants to control mother nature which is impossible and can
never be done.only thing is this that we have to change our drishti
instead of changing shrishti.means we have to change our vision
insted of changing mother nature.otherwise destruction is not far
because from our child hood we r listening vinashkaalae vipreet
budhi.so have faith in the almighty and let him do what he wants
because he knows what is best for us rather everyone.
>
>
> please think again and again and come out with firm answer that
these tv channels should stop harassing with the sentiments of public
or keep continuing?
>
> please keep on adding your comments to it so that every
intellectual should be aware of the ground facts.
>
> if i had written anything wrong ,hurted anybodys sentiments please
forgive me,i couldnt stop myself from writing because this was an
appeal from a person who is at a very respectable and honurable post
and has proved his responsibility by sending such an e mail.thanks
shatender ji and yograj ji too who called me up and asked to write
for it.
>
> thanks
>
> regards
>
> MS KONDAL
> <span style="font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);">M S KONDAL</
span>
>

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Re: [astrostudents] Re: Fw: 8-8-8 saturn is a friend

                                                                                                                                                 DATED: 14.8.2008

respected nirmal ji,
                                 pranaam, it nice to hear from you.how r u hope fine and busy with your job.read your reply thanks for reading and reciprocating.its really the need of the hour to highlight such things otherwise people will be making fool of masses and our public is such that it can do anything in the name of religion.these are the words said by swami vivekanand ji.so only awareness with reasoning is required.
thanks once again

regards
MS KONDAL

 

<span style=”font-weight:bold;color:rgb(128, 0, 0);”>M S KONDAL</span>

—– Original Message —-
From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com>
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:54:10 PM
Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Fw: 8-8-8 saturn is a friend

Respected Kondal Sahib,
Pranam,
It is now becoming a chronic problem of the society. Media is now
promoting these type of sensational theories. This practice is to
create sensational news and to increase channel TRP. This is a one
side of coin. Recently I saw a program discussing the genuineness of
Kala Sarpa Yoga. In which Mr. KN Rao has openly critcised the band of
astrologers who created hype of Kala Sarpa yoga to loot the innocent
people. With the increasing participation of intellectuals in
studying astrology,these black sheep will soon be put under control.
Regarding 8-8-8 , I checked the panchang and rather it was 8-8-8-8.
it is Ashtami, 8th tithi, 8th date, 8th month and 8th year of this
century. As usual, a hype is created to wait for some big disaster.
Nothing happens. These so called astrology Gurus fell flat. People
came to know their Tikdam Baazi.
Truth will burry lie in due course. Or we can say lie will die its
own death.
The point raised by Respected Shaitendra Ji,is the necessity of the
time. We in the group must try to dispell these myths.
We are grateful to you for sparing your precious time to explain the
prperties of planets, particularly Saturn. I know that your typing
speed is very slow and writing this much text is the job of hours.
Keep on enlightening us with your guidance
Best Regards
Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj
— In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, maneshwar singh kondal
<mskondal@.. .> wrote:
>
>
>
> <span style=”font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);”>M S KONDAL</
span>
>
>
>
> —– Forwarded Message —-
> From: maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal@.. .>
> To: shatendra_s@ …
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 11:43:03 PM
> Subject: 8-8-8 saturn is a friend
>
> dear members,
> charan pranaam to all my seniors and
hello to all of my colleagues,today i got mail from Mr shatendera k
sharma who is working at avery respectable post injawaharlal nehru
university at delhi and holding a strategic position and he has asked
all the members to raise a voice against all the so called babas and
astrologers who are appearing on the tv everyday and making people
paniky by telling their own originated or manifested stories
regarding the destruction of the world and other untoward incidents
across the world.these things do have an impact on general masses
because these are being telecasted by reputed tv channels without of
any responsibility that they are misguiding the masses.tv people are
attracting people more and more in numbers to watch their tv channel
by introducing various and different characters who are promoting
themselves rather than to educate people of the true facts.all of us
have seen that nothing
> bad had happened without the routine ones as such promoted by
astrologers and numerologists that this is going to happen or that is
going to happen,all of them say this could happen they dont say
firmly and confidently that this will happen.and now no one is seen
on the tv talking about it even the channels have stoped discussions
on it. and nobody from the public has also raised this question to
the media that what next they have to say.
>
> i dont say that astrology is not there ,i am also a true believer
of astrology ,being an engineer i am also doing some research works
on astrology its a proper science but it doesnt say that one should
play with the lives of public.rather its a science which makes you
aware of the happenings in advance and tells us to be prepared people
were recently saying lot of things bad about 8-8-8 combination and
saturns bad influence.
>
> but our scriptures say not a single planet is bad rather each and
every planet helps us to refine our energies in that particular field
represented by that particular planet.our bad fate is this that we
start looking only the negative part of the planet instead of looking
good out of it and trying to improvise our negative influences of
that planet by inscribing our positive energies to get rid of the
negativity.but this is not happening and we start cursing the
planets.this is really bad because it only increases the negativity
which ultimately engulfs us in its traps and finally we become the
victim of our own negativity and come out as a failure and we blame
the planet that because of this planet we r in trouble.
>
> this means we are inviting troubles ourselves and blaming it to
planets .take an example of saturn.
>
> Saturn is the planet of responsibility. Saturn imposes its burdens
on an individual so that he understands the importance of his own
needs. By meeting the responsibilities of Saturn, the individual
gives form to his own self worth. Even though Saturn has been thought
of as the planet of restrictions, it is actually a planet of great
freedom. When one avoids the tasks and responsibilities that give
meaning and purpose to one’s existence, then there is no questions
that the weight of Saturn is felt heavily. All that an individual
should confront but tries to ignore starts to gather weight in his
mind. When a more positive approach is taken in dealing with everyday
obstacles which are only stepping stones towards one’s evolution, the
more one frees oneself from the weight of the past.
>
> Saturn is the planet of Karma and makes an individual’s life, in
many ways, the result of his past actions. In order to flow with the
best energies of Saturn, an individual must be ready to truly
confront himself. What he is building in the here and now must be a
firm foundation beneath his feet.
>
> Saturn is the teacher, and holds within the greatest secrets of the
universe if one has the willingness to learn. What one does each day
is more important that what one dreams about doing in the future.
>
> The lesson of Saturn is not to look at what others do or even years
later what one could have done oneself, but rather to effectively
build structure to one’s life, here, now, today! Saturn is the planet
of discipline. It instructs a person to stay within his own purpose,
regardless of how difficult it may at times appear to be.
>
> The ultimate that one can achieve through Saturn is the sense of
meaning that comes from knowing how purposeful everything one does
actually is. This planet which rules the conscience, is forever
developing in the “Now” to give an individual the steady guidance he
needs in order to know his own strength. Saturn can be ones
benefactor, or one’s burden of woe depending completely upon the way
in which a person builds his structure. Saturn is the taskmaster. He
who lives in “The Now” is always the master of the task!
>
>
> To fear Saturn is to fear knowing who we are, and what we are
capable of accomplishing; to learn to work with its energies is to
master the physical and material worlds, and ready ourselves for the
challenges of the spiritual and the unseen.
>
> Saturn is a real teacher. Just keep going, even you feel it’s hard.
The gifts will be worth it. I remember a teacher I had who was very
strict and rigorous. Everyone despised him but he knew that the
survivors would have the higher grades in the final exams which lead
us to the university. And so it happened.
>
>
> Saturn Returns occurs about every 30 years or so, and unlike
Jupiter Returns (which are usually fun) they are a very serious
matter.
>
> The first Saturn return occurs at around the age of 30, a
significant period in most lives. This is the first time you will
feel the reap-what-you- sow side of Saturn, as you take stock of what
you have achieved – or not – how your youthful dreams have been
fulfilled – or not. It can be a time of serious navel gazing, and
stock taking. Depending on the position and aspects of your natal
Saturn, you may change direction altogether, or choose to consolidate
on what you have already gained. Career, relationships and social
connections can all come under the microscope.
>
> The second Saturn Return occurs at about age 60, and once again the
focus is on taking a searching look at what life has dealt you, and
what you have dealt yourself. This can be a time of really sobering
reflection as you consider retirement and the years ahead. Can you
afford to retire? Have you sufficient other interests to look forward
to a life without work? Or are you considering another venture,
something that uses your accumulated skills and wisdom? What goes
around comes around, that is the real meaning of a Saturn Return.
>
> Saturn represents responsibility, self-discipline, obstacles and
limitations. Saturn’s influence can be restrictive, cold and severe
and is usually noticeable in your life when you are faced with
obstacles. How you deal with obstacles and limitations is represented
by the characteristics of your Saturn sign. Saturn’s position in your
chart determines how well you accept responsibility, as well as which
types of delays and opposition you can expect to encounter in life.
>
> The following planets are slow-moving, spending more than seven
years in each sign. These planets have a generational influence as
well as an individual influence. While the characteristics of your
Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto signs are still expressed to some degree
in your personality, their influence is not as strong as the above-
mentioned planets.
>
> Returns of the planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, do not have the
significance of returns of the inner planets because they move
extremely slowly. But as they move, they will aspect natal planets in
transit and at these times can point to periods of significant
changes in the life.
>
>
>
> there are not only negative things in the planets or
numbers .mother nature has provided lots and lots of solutions and
remedies by default which are hard to be understood by the human
brains but then also its our nature that we try for it .where as
human wants to control mother nature which is impossible and can
never be done.only thing is this that we have to change our drishti
instead of changing shrishti.means we have to change our vision
insted of changing mother nature.otherwise destruction is not far
because from our child hood we r listening vinashkaalae vipreet
budhi.so have faith in the almighty and let him do what he wants
because he knows what is best for us rather everyone.
>
>
> please think again and again and come out with firm answer that
these tv channels should stop harassing with the sentiments of public
or keep continuing?
>
> please keep on adding your comments to it so that every
intellectual should be aware of the ground facts.
>
> if i had written anything wrong ,hurted anybodys sentiments please
forgive me,i couldnt stop myself from writing because this was an
appeal from a person who is at a very respectable and honurable post
and has proved his responsibility by sending such an e mail.thanks
shatender ji and yograj ji too who called me up and asked to write
for it.
>
> thanks
>
> regards
>
> MS KONDAL
> <span style=”font- weight:bold; color:rgb( 128, 0, 0);”>M S KONDAL</
span>
>

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